How (Not) to Speak of God

By Joshua Kagi February 14th, 2008 Email this post Post a comment

As most of you probably know from reading yesterday’s post on my 2008 reading list, or from the nifty Facebook application, Virtual Bookshelf, I’m currently reading Peter Rollins book How (Not) to Speak of God. It’s one of the last emerging church books I plan to read for a little while — as I’ve been stuck in a rut and need to broaden my horizons a little bit (as in reading on my other favorite topic Globalization and our changing world, as well as some fiction I’ve been meaning to get to, especially political thrillers) — but it’s a book that’s making this genre tough to leave behind.

In all actuality, How (Not) to Speak of God, is the first true theology book I’ve read. Some may laugh at the fact I call it a “true” theology book, but a) Brian McLaren says it is, and b) I’m not a seminary student, so anything with some depth and substance to it makes it a theology book in my eyes. Because of it being a “true” theology book, it took a couple readings and re-readings of the first couple chapters before I could begin to comprehend the thoughts that were being presented by Rollins’.

With that said, this book is astounding. Rollins breaks the book into two parts. The first are his theological thoughts. The second part is a compilation of ten “services” with from within his ministry that emulate his theological thoughts. As of this post I have only finished part one, but I wanted to share some excepts and thoughts with you.

One of the things I appreciate most about Rollins writing, is that he uses examples from other cultures and religions. I whole-heartedly believe that Christianity doesn’t have a monopoly on truth. Rather, truth can be discovered in countless other cultures. I’ll provide some specific examples below.

The first thing that really jumped out at me was Rollins’ stressing of the importance of of being transformed by revelation — using a piece of art as an example. It reminded me of the introduction to Rob Bell’s, Velvet Elvis, just on a deeper level.

What is important about revelation is not that we seek to interpret it in the same way but rather that we all love it and are transformed by it. To fail to recognize this would be similar to an art critic saying that what is important when considering a piece of art is that we interpret it correctly rather than loving it and being challenged by it. Indeed, this is what happens when we see various groups and denominations being set up that are founded upon the supposedly ‘correct’ interpretation of revelation. While joining together in groups that share the same Christian tradition has an important role, the problem arises when we claim that we have the right interpretation while all those who disagree with us are ignorant, deluded or sinfully turning their eye away from the clear light of revelation. (pg. 17)

I recently posted a video entitled “Would You” on this blog and at Epinoia Café (where comments were directed), that asked “What if there was no heaven and no hell (so no reward/punishment system), would you still follow Jesus?” Some people interpreted that as me advocating for Universal salvation/reconciliation, which I’m still studying and contemplating through right now, but the true purpose of the question was along the lines of this passage,

If one loses one’s life only because one believes that this is the way to find it, then one gives up nothing; to truly lose one’s life, one must lay down that life without regard to weather or not one finds it. Only a genuine faith can embrace doubt, for such a faith does not act because of a self-interested reason (such as fear of hell or desire for heaven) but acts simply because it must. (pg. 34)

The next quote, for me embodies what “The Church” is supposed to be, and has failed at, at least since the reformation, if not before, and what “The Emerging” movement is all about,

In contrast to the view that evangelism is that which gives an answer for those who are asking, we must have faith to believe that those who seek will find for themselves… If this is true, then the job of the Church is not to provide an answer — for the answer is not a phrase or doctrine — but rather to help encourage the religious question to arise. (pg. 40-41)

In the fifth and final chapter of part one, Rollins writes several examples pitting “empirical truth” against “transforming truth.”

Rollins gives us an example that takes place in World War II era Germany, where one morning some Nazi soldiers knock on our door checking to see if we’re housing any Jews.

In response to this question we have three options: (a) we regretfully say ‘yes’, acknowledging that we are held under a higher moral law which requires that we do not deceive; (b) we say ‘no’, judging that it is the lesser of two evils, a necessary lie required in order to prevent murder; (c) we say ‘no’ and feel happy that we told the truth. (pg. 57)

He goes on to speculate that most contemporary Christians would choose (b).

However, if we take truth to mean any act which positively transforms reality, rather than describes reality, then there is no problem acknowledging that, while denying there are Jews in the house is empirically incorrect, it is true in a religious sense precisely because it protects the innocent. (pg. 57) Emphasis his.

Probably my favorite part so far was the Buddha story found on pg. 61,

However, there are a myriad situations that arise in life which have not been directly faced in the past. These events often require a response which cannot be discerned via reference to our already existing interpretive maps, and instead demanded a step of creative and loving interpretation. For instance, the advances in life-saving technology in the late twentieth century have cast up numerous problems in medical ethics to which no Bible passage can give a definitive answer. When thinking of this Christlike prejudice of love, I am reminded of the Buddhist story in which a disciple plucks up the courage to point out to the Buddha that some of the things he taught were not in the scriptures. In response the Buddha replied, ‘Then put them in.’ After an embarrassed silence the disciple spoke again: ‘May I be so bold as to suggest, sir, that some of the things you teach actually contradict the scriptures?’ To which the Buddha, without hesitation, smiled and said, ‘Then I suggest you take them out.’

Can’t you just see Jesus saying that? Especially now-a-days with all the “rules” and “traditions” that we go through?

Finally, Rollins closes the chapter with the story of the film, Amen (which has moved to number one on my blockbuster queue after his telling of it), in which a priest, living in WWII Germany, wonders if “it would be possible for every Christian in Germany to convert to Judaism in order to stop the horror, for the Nazis couldn’t possibly condemn such a huge number of powerful and socially integrated people at that stage of war” (pg. 63). The idea is obviously rejected by church leaders, and so the priest gives up his religion and beliefs to take up Judaism in protest to the tragedy taking place. “By taking on the Jewish identity he suffers with the persecuted, voluntarily taking his place on the trains that run to Auschwitz” (pg. 63).

For most Christians, the question, ‘Would you die for your beliefs? is the most radical one that can be asked — to which the faithful will answer with a defiant ‘Yes.’ But Amen asks a more radical question, namely, ‘Would you kill your beliefs?’ In other words, would you be prepared to give up your religious tradition in order to affirm that tradition? Can you give up the very thing you would die to protect, not because of something even more powerful, but rather because of another’s suffering? (pg. 63)

Not that I’m comparing myself to a great martyr, like a man who would give up his beliefs to be thrown into a concentration camp… but maybe, there is some similarity between that, and me feeling called to leave the institutional church, so that I can be in a place that can better serve the poor and those God calls me to serve? The belief system I grew up with (the one that said go to church every Sunday and sit quietly and hand over your money), I’ve put aside, because the IC (in general) doesn’t serve the way God calls them to — and much like in Rollins’ example of the movie, where the church tried to plead ignorance to the whole holocaust issue. Much like now with Darfur, the African Aids epidemic, and even in places like New Orleans, let alone the back alley’s of every American town.

So, yeah, that’s where I’m at after reading part one.


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4 Comments

  1. Josh,

    Unfortuantely, I have some real concerns about the theology in this book. While I haven’t read it, based upon the quotes you’ve supplied, I think it’s far from Biblical.

    As far as the Buddah example:

    Matthew 5:17-19
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    I believe there are VERY serious implications to taking away or adding to God’s word. The Buddah example is a far cry from anything scriptural.

    The purpose of revelation is a more intimate relationship with God. We should always (in my opinion) try to understand all revelation that comes our way. And no, this does not mean the revelation will be the same for all. God will reveal something different to each of us.

    Ephesians 1:17
    I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

    The quote you provided on “losing your life” is in direct contradiction with this verse:

    Matthew 16:25
    For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it.

    … but maybe, there is some similarity between that, and me feeling called to leave the institutional church, so that I can be in a place that can better serve the poor and those God calls me to serve? The belief system I grew up with (the one that said go to church every Sunday and sit quietly and hand over your money), I’ve put aside, because the IC (in general) doesn’t serve the way God calls them to — and much like in Rollins’ example of the movie, where the church tried to plead ignorance to teh whole holocaust issue.

    Josh, please be careful here. There are many of us out there who are still involved in the “IC” and believe wholeheartedly that it’s working well. My experience is the oppposite of yours. My church does not pass around a plate, nor does the pastor ask for money. He only gives periodic updates on the church’s finances (maybe twice a year). Also, our church is overseeing the local soup kitchen which feeds hundreds of people every week. To make a blanket statement that the IC is failing in its mission to serve God and others is unfair.

    There are certain aspects of the Emergent Church I’m OK with, but here’s my biggest problem: While those who are leading the movement can write well and eloquently express their theological views, they very rarely use scripture as the basis for their beliefs. After reading several of the quotes you provided, I was able think of several scriptures that were in total contradiction to what was written in those quotes.

    This is a part of my life where I have been and always will be a staunch conservative: if statements of theology and beliefs don’t match-up with scripture, then it’s probably not from God. He gave us the Bible as a guidepost to every day living, and there’s no other piece of literature like it.

  2. Josh,

    Let me reiterate that I’m not saying the Emergent Church movement is all bad. I just think there are elements of it that are questionable.

    I won’t comment anymore on this subject since I haven’t read the book. I’d like to know from your perspective if how I responded is way off base, and why.

    Thanks.

  3. Joshua Walchester

    I’ve heard of that perfect repentance idea before, and I have this problem with it: Since when is any human motivation pure in some un-alloyed philosophical sense? There have been times when I have given things up for God, in the knowledge that I may never take them up again, but I have always known that God has something better for me, based on my trust of him. So we lay down our own life in order to take up his. So we lose some rubbish and gain Jesus, as is the essence of repentance. Yes its life and life, but of a different order and dynamic nature.

    I have more to say but I think that is awesome enough to put by itself.

  4. Joshua Walchester

    True in the religious sense? A very functional attitude to truth. Surely it almost turns “religious” into “false”! And perhaps that is precisely the problem with the buddha quote. With the right version of positive we end up with self help book church, and is it subject to its own definition? Is it just a nice thing to say about truth, but with no correspondance to truths actual identity and place in Gods creation? This version of truth is a very different one to the one we use in normal language. Anyone can win if win if redefined to mean loose!
    The truth is that you do have Jews in your house, and they are innocent of their accusations, and these human beings at your door have been encouraged (however it happened) to follow a mad hateful path. They are making horrors out of themselves. They deserve to know. You may save these Jews, but will you save those Nazis?
    Are there Jews in this house?
    There are German citezens in this house.
    Are there Jews in this house?
    There are my freinds and brothers.
    Are you hidding Jews?
    My guests are good people who do not deserve to die, they have commited no uprising and they have threatened no-one, if you say all Jews are villains I can tell you these are not what you call Jews.

    Yeah, fat chance my speaches would save them. Only God can truely change people.
    The problem of honesty and obedience when faced with evil tyranny is a difficult one, and it is too easy an answer just to redefine the two. I have heard of people who have smuggled things and when asked honestly shown them to people, who have looked at it blankly and said nothing. Miracle or shame in the face of bravery, I don’t know, but not all answers are the obvious human ones.
    That man could have become a messianic Jew, and lost nothing of the core of Christ, because he was not becoming circumsised to earn righteousness, but to identify with those who were persecuted.

    The glory of God is that the greatest strangest hope of all is a part of our reality, and its fullest application is itself. To truely follow God you do just that, there are no extra levels, although there are infinte depths. Having said that we should always be ready to ditch our human approximations as we learn more of God, but that brings us closer to the heart of our “tradition”, not further away. It is only in Christ that we have an answer for suffering, and whatever habbits we break for each other, that is the core that makes it more than just heroic defeat.
    On interpretation, thats always there. Thats why I think we have to get the movement and the narrative and the logic of the bible into our heads, because it doesn’t give prepacked judgements, but it makes judges. Its the divine training not some state mapping computer program!
    Sideways agreement; the answer is not a phrase or a doctrine or a question, but a man.

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